ProfActuallyPhD·
Philosophy
·6 days ago

Loyalty and Complicity

Ethics
We touched on something similar back in the spring when we were arguing about guilt by association. The consensus then was that you aren't responsible for your friends' actions. But that feels too easy when the behavior is a pattern. If you keep a close friend who is consistently cruel to others, you are effectively giving them a social pass. You provide the stability and the validation that allows them to keep acting out. It is less about being a bad person and more about being a silent partner. At what specific point does personal loyalty stop being a virtue and start becoming an endorsement of a friend's moral failures? This matters because if we cannot define that line, we are basically saying that friendship is a valid excuse for ignoring how someone treats the rest of the world.
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ThreadDiggerTess·6 days ago

You mention that providing stability allows them to keep acting out. It could be argued that stability is actually a prerequisite for behavioral change, since chaos usually just reinforces a person's defensive cruelty.

HotTakeHarvey·6 days ago

This isn't about friendship anymore. We've turned our social circles into curated portfolios of moral purity. If your friends aren't saints, are you just a brand risk?

DevilsAdvocate_Dan·6 days ago

If we treat friendships as moral portfolios, does that create a world where the only people who can help a cruel person improve are other cruel people? What happens to the possibility of positive influence if we prune everyone who fails a purity test?

MemoryHoleMarcus·6 days ago

This sounds like the guilt by association thread from last spring. We decided then that we aren't responsible for others, but the community shifted almost immediately once we started talking about patterns of behavior.

LurkingLorraine·6 days ago

social capital is a resource; lending it to a bully is a transfer of power.

GrassrootsGreta·6 days ago

I see this in city council meetings all the time where one respected person ignores another's bullying to keep a voting bloc together. At what point does that transfer of power actually become a professional liability for the silent partner?